Journalists have published an audio recording of a phone conversation between Russian billionaire Roman Trotsenko and businessman Mykola Matushevsky, in which they discuss the war against Ukraine and the Russian government.

The corresponding abbreviated recording of the 40-minute conversation is published on the YouTube channel of the project "Nastoyastchee vremya".

The conversation probably took place between Trotsenko and Matushevsky at the beginning of January 2023.

In the conversation, the men call each other Kol and Rom.

First, they discuss a holiday in Bali.

In particular, Kolya says that there are many investors and opportunities on the island.

"Somehow, Romo,

I had a hard time in Russia recently.

I understood that something was wrong, there was nothing to do there. And people left. Well, somehow," says Kolya, and Roma agrees with him.  

"That's right, there's no need to mention what happened in Russia. It's gone and won't happen again. And you have to try to find something in new places that emphasizes your uniqueness and competitiveness," says Roma.

He also calls Indonesia an incredibly cool place where everything will grow: "In ten years, everything will grow tenfold, and in Russia - it will fall in half."

Journalists also reported that in the conversation, Kolya spoke in detail about his new project, which he calls Airbnb for business.

The men also have a long discussion about moving and children, infrastructure in Bali and personal affairs.

However, the conversation always turns to the discussion of the war and the situation in Russia.

"Unfortunately,

Russia, which we love so sincerely, ended up in the clutches of some scumbags

, [damn]. Who profess, [damn], some strange compositions, [damn], of the 19th century. This cannot end well, this will end in hell, [damn]," Roma is convinced.

Kolya agrees with the interlocutor.

At the same time, he tries to change the topic to healthy eating and vegetarianism.

However, the dialogue still returns to the political direction.

Yes, Kolya says that he recently watched a video clip of Russian presidents' New Year's greetings.

"This is a cut of New Year's greetings starting from Yeltsin, when he said that "I'm tired, I'm leaving", this is the 99th year - to the last one, when this jerk is not a Christmas tree, as usual, but the military. These are real

words : "It's a bad year, but we'll beat everyone." And that's 20 years already ringing in our ears

," emphasizes Kolya.

At the same time, Roma notes: "How can a country live and develop, where the only ideology is earning money and holding power by one group of people?"

He believes that the Russian authorities have "no concept" of what will happen next.

"They're going to die, [dammit], at some point in time and leave nothing behind.

It's just going to be a scorched desert

," says Roma.

Kolya just sighs, and Roma continues and complains that not all Russians have heard what is happening.

"Then this simple [bullshit] will reach everyone, everyone. And it will turn out that it is already too late.

People will not be able to withdraw money, will not be able to leave, their children will be drafted into the war

... [Horror], in short," predicts Roma.

After that, the connection disappears for a short time.

And then the interlocutors discuss the presidential elections in Russia, which will be held in 2024.

"

2023 is the last year

. Who got together, transferred the money, organized something... Fate, she unfolded everything in 2022 and showed how it could be, but she gave 2023, [damn], to deal with everything," Roma believes and advises Kohli to "make" citizenship immediately, stating that it is "the best investment."

He also claims that everything is falling apart in Russia.

"You have been given a year by fate to extract all your loved ones, extract money, whatever you need. Just do it tomorrow (citizenship - ed.)," Roma continues to insist.

He also said that at one time he was offered citizenship of Cyprus, but Roma refused.

And now it is impossible to do it for any money.   

"Who are you?"

- I told them - "I am a Russian patriot, I love my motherland", - Roma describes her reaction to the offer of Cyprus.

To this Kolya says: "We love our motherland, there are just people who don't love it, and we can't do anything about them."

At the same time, according to Roma, in 10-15 years they and Kolya will be needed by their homeland.

However, at the moment, both agree that it is necessary to obtain a new citizenship, withdraw money and take relatives out of the Russian Federation.

Trotsenko and Matushevsky deny that the conversation is real

.

Yes, Trotsenko said that he knew Matushevsky, but he had not communicated with him for about a year and a half.

And Matushevsky, in response to a journalist's question, said that he did not know what it was about, and asked for a link to the recording of the conversation.

After about 40 min.

(the same goes for the audio recording itself) the businessman assured that "there was no such conversation."

According to Matushevsky, he last spoke with Trotsenko in 2022 and never discussed politics.

"I think it's a fake or someone's stupid joke with the use of AI [artificial intelligence]," Matushevsky added.

However, journalists draw attention to

several facts in favor of the fact that the recording of the conversation may be genuine

.

Yes, Matushevsky says in the conversation that he is in Bali, and this fact is confirmed by photos from his social networks.

In addition, the number from which Roman probably called corresponds to Trotsenko's number, which the journalists have at their disposal.

The details of the men's conversation also match the information about the businessmen.

So, Roma calls himself "Roman Viktorovich" and says that he will be 62 in 10 years. And Kolya repeatedly talks about the projects of the "Flakon" design factory, which he owned until 2021.

It will be recalled that at the end of March, an audio recording of a conversation between Russian producer Yosyp Prigozhin and billionaire Farkhad Akhmedov was posted on the Internet.

In the conversation, Prigozhin complains about the President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin, using obscene language. 

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